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DPS meters and you

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:17 pm
by hung
With all the pressure we're feeling about improving raid performance and enabling progression, I'd like to address a couple of points dealing with damage/dps meters.

1. Damage meters sometimes lie~!
Understand that what your meters are showing you may not be the entire picture. This is why there can be radically different logs between range and melee.
2. There is a guild rule (not heavily publicized or enforced) to not ask for or display DPS meters in raid/guild/party/say chat.
We have heavy duty logging that can be used to more accurately analyze our performance. After the raid. Spaming recount in raid does nothing to improve raid performance. It has led to much much drama.
3. Reguarding your own performance: EVERY fight that matters will have something going on that impairs your performance. Accept those limitations, and do your best under those conditions.
4. Performance on farm content and trash does not matter (as much >.< ).
Ewwww, that's ugly for even me to look at... and I typed it. To clarify, I assume everyone plays their top game, every fight. But this is the logical extension to point 3: trash and farm content does not have the pressure of an actual progression fights. If you are looking to critically analyze yourself and to self-improve, do not benchmark yourself on trash and farm content.

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:57 pm
by Daewen
I want to bump some thread or other so that this offer is noted again: That if you don't feel you're pumping out as much damage as you should (and the logs we post will let you know the cold, hard facts), that there are those of us in the guild willing to give some 1-on-1 coaching time to help you out. Doesn't even need to be same-class!

Now, a success story, to let you know it is worthwhile and works: I recently worked with someone on a boss training dummy to analyze their dps. I used Recap (not recount) because it does the world-of-logs style breakdown of all your combat log data. I looked at the spec, gear, glyphs, and rotation. It's a combination of all of them that can really make a difference: a glyph change, a little regemming, a slight rotation change (brought about by the glyph), and I brought someone (self-buffed) up from 2700 to 4000 dps (averaged over the course of several minutes, 1M boss hp). That disparity scales up a lot in a raid setting, and has made a big difference between feeling frustrated and feeling useful. ^_^

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:15 pm
by Akane
Could someone do that for me? Granted my DPS has improved, but I think it could be better...maybe not like the 3 rogue defense wall on top of the dps meters, but I'd like to at least get close to Cham/Gwal/Araekon...though I may not ever top them, but at least get close cause I am not PURE DPS. :)

Though, I think warlocks have HAX DPS, same with you mages.... :) I love mages....but I also love to not be one-shotted and being able to heal myself. ^_^ So it's like some double-edge sword. :)

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:42 pm
by Texaporte
Chamomile would like to have a talk to you about that "pure" DPS part...

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:04 pm
by Akane
OH sorry, Cham is a hybrid too. :) I keep thinking PURE DPS cause shadowpriests are so HAX ^_^ Heehee SOWWY! :)

Plus, I kinda put Cham up there with warlocks and mages because Cham's DPS is so uber. It's as IF Cham were PURE DPS :)

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:07 pm
by Daewen
I might as well mention that part of that success story above was in fact some glyph changes away from healing ability and into 'pure dps'. As much as one might like the utility of their hybrid class, there is little need for it in raiding. If you are dps, just do that. If something consistently 'goes wrong' where you switch to doing some healing (even to yourself), that's someone else's problem. (Unless you're standing in fire, then it's your problem). We setup the raids to have tanks, healers, and dps. We don't have 'backup healers' for if people die. If that happens, we're doing it wrong.

In short, if you want to be dps, do just that.

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:58 pm
by Luke
They've really tried to make the hybrid classes damage be on par with the pure damage dealers; but some classes are just doing better than others. This char may make you feel better:

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Its based on scanned world of logs/skada records. Things may have changed a little bit since then, but not much. Note that balance druids are the lowest damaging class on there... Even mages are behind the physical damage classes--ICC isn't kind to casters for many reasons. Anyhow, its good to try and improve yourself, but remember you bring more to the raid than damage, the moonkin buffs are quite good, and increase all of the other spell dps'rs a great deal.

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:58 am
by janin
I don't play a moonkin, so I can only really comment on gear.

Cord of Dark Suffering needs a belt buckle for the extra gem slot.
Glyph of Rebirth has great raid utility, but doesn't add to dps. Surely there's a dps glyph to go in that slot?
I think this was already covered, but you're over hit cap. If you can trade off hit gear for spell power, crit, and haste, that'd be good.

Adam

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:52 pm
by Camyu
janin wrote:Glyph of Rebirth has great raid utility, but doesn't add to dps. Surely there's a dps glyph to go in that slot?
ASAIK, this has been explained to Tsukiki on multiple occasions. But she insisted that she wanted to keep it.

Re: DPS meters and you

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:23 am
by Daewen
Akane wrote:Could someone do that for me? Granted my DPS has improved, but I think it could be better...
Use a glyph other than Rebirth, please. If fights are done right, and we are learning and improving all the time, then Rebirth will never be cast. Sometimes, that means the dps is high enough that it doesn't come into play.

Please, for sake of the raid- if you play dps, spec and gear and glyph for dps.